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Filozofia asta cu "Ohhh only 4.5/5.5GB available...I'm gonna cancel my pre-order" este un bullsh!t.Daca Sony chiar a ales aceasta cale, sigur au avut temeri bine bazate.Si mie mi se pare dubioasa ca OS-ul sa ocupe 3.5GB de ram,dar daca e sa gandim logic,consola va trebui sa faca fata cerintelor in urmatoarele 5-6 ani.
Sincer "rumour"-ile astea nici nu le mai citesc fiindca in final toate se vor lamuri.
Pai da, consola, nu OS-ul.:evil: Eu sper ca nu o dau in Xbox One. Poate doar la exclusivitati.
de fapt, nici de 5,5 nu ar fi vorba...
PlayStation 4 gives up to 5GB of RAM to game developersQuote:
"UPDATE: A new source familiar with the matter has provided additional information to Digital Foundry that confirms only 4.5GB of the PS4's 8GB GDDR5 memory pool is guaranteed to game developers right now, while also clarifying how the PS4's "flexible memory" works in practice.
In real terms, an additional 512MB of physical RAM may be available in addition to the 4.5GB mentioned in the SDK. Flexible memory consists of physical and virtual spaces, and the latter introduces paging issues which impact performance. In our original story we combined them together.
For practical game applications, the correct figures for this story, as we understand it now, are a guaranteed 4.5GB for development and a further 512MB from the flexible pool. We have updated the headline accordingly."
un calcul simplu ne arata ca 1GB este din start ocupat cu alea 15 minute la 1080p...
daca o mai sfeclesc mult cu noutatile , imi iau tot xbox
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The folks over at Digital Foundry cite "current PlayStation 4 documentation shown to Digital Foundry by a well-placed development source" in detailing the RAM breakdown. The numbers aren't set in stone, though. Digital Foundry reports that developers can take back as much as 1GB of "flexible memory" from the OS when it's available. However, taking back this memory isn't as simple as flipping a switch; it's complicated enough that only first-party games may be able to do it at first, according to the report.
Sursa: Report: OS overhead takes up 3.5GB of PS4’s 8GB of RAM | Ars TechnicaQuote:
In Sony's case, at least, there's some hope that this allocation could change in the future, with "sources close to Sony" suggesting the OS could take up less RAM with future streamlining updates. On the Xbox One, on the other hand, Microsoft has reportedly carved out 3GB as a strict, inflexible OS allocation "in order to allow the background platform to evolve over a ten-year life-cycle." In other words, Microsoft is basically saying, "Sorry, Xbox One game developers. You can't use that RAM because we might need it for something later."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCMuSCt_F6Y
Adevarul e ca jocurile pt xbox1 de la E3 sunt bestiale! Au venit cu noutati interesante ca niciodata(eu sincer nu am un singur joc de 360 sa-mi placa)-tupeu desavarsit cu un fighter exclusiv...Chiar daca ar fi(sunt) egale ca si performanta NU pot trece peste prostia cu Kinect!
Declaratie oficiala de la Sony:
PlayStation 4 gives up to 5GB of RAM to game developers • News • Eurogamer.net
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We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.
The actual true distinction is that:
We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for.
- "Direct Memory" is memory allocated under the traditional video game model, so the game controls all aspects of its allocation
- "Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.
Cam echivoc si evaziv raspunsul.Ma asteptam sa ne dea un raspuns concret.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BriProv/s...40165026131968
Brian Provinciano confirma ca stirea data de Eurogamer este doar un titlu senzationalist dar nu poate sa dezvaluiasca cantitatea de GB RAM disponibila pentru developeri.
Alt developer confirma ca sunt jocuri care folosesc 6GB RAM dar nu poate sa dea mai multe detalii: NeoGAF - View Single Post - F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water .
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There are games in development that are using 6 GB of RAM. I will not say any more about this.
I will say: the RAM situation on launch, will not reflect the RAM situation in two years, and not reflect the RAM situation at the end of the console's life cycle.
Another hint I've been trying to drop is that there is potential for an upclock a few years into the console life cycle for both Xbox One and PS4. This can give a late generation graphics boost similar to the one on PSP. (Optimistic parrot hopes for a 2.4 TF 1 GHZ GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlCv9oR9EMY
a fost destul de concret raspunsul: nu s-au legat de cifre pentru ca:Quote:
Originally Posted by iPaul
1. e suficient de corecta informatia
2. mai au o gramada de munca la soft
3. au corectat doar ce i-a deranjat din articolul EG
Eu nu inteleg o chestie. Pe PS3 acum vreo 3 ani au lansat un update de firmware care reducea footprint-ul OS-ului din RAM de la 120MB la 50MB. PS3 avea 256MB RAM pt. OS (si inca 256MB RAM pt. video). De la 50MB RAM pentru OS au sarit la 3.5GB RAM? Come on Sony... Stop wasting RAM with crap!
Pai are multe feature-uri ce trebuie sa ruleze in background...
Man si Androidul meu si iOS-ul meu ruleaza multe in background. Si totusi se descurca cu maxim 512MB sau 1GB RAM... De Windows sau MacOS nici nu mai vorbesc. In afara de chestia cu video recording (pe care probabil nu o voi folosi niciodata), nu vad ce ar consuma 3.5GB RAM. Ce, are Photoshop in background?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark
In plus, sa nu uitam ca e o consola si nu un smartphone sau tableta... e dedicata gamingului, nu social media, tv sau alte prostii.
mai bine zis a fost dedicata gamingului..Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkY
Voi nu intelegeti ca totul este o vrajeala totala ? pai normal ca sony trebuie sa pastreze un AS in maneca , cu ce vor veni nou peste 4 ani daca ofera totul acum din puterea consolei ?, va trebui sa traga de consola pentru jocurile la momentul respectiv ? nu este logic ? pac memoria RAM alocata mai mult ! e foarte ciudat ca un OS sa stoarca 3.5 RAM :)) , oricum stati linistiti este suficient pentru toti si toate !
@Buyk: dar poate pe mine nu ma intereseaza ce vrea sa faca Sony peste 4 ani. Eu imi cumpar consola anul acesta si nu peste 4 ani.
Daca m-as avanta intro teorie a conspiratiei as spune ca de fapt cei de la Sony s-au inteles cu cei de la Microsoft astfel incat amandoi sa ofere aceeasi cantitate de RAM pentru developeri. Money talks!
Asta cu 3.5GB RAM pentru OS e inventie eurogamer. Deja 2 developeri au confirmat asta dar nu ne pot da informatii concrete pentru ca sunt sub NDA.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkY
Daca stim deja ca sunt jocuri care folosesc 5.5 GB RAM (se zvoneste ca si 6 GB) nu are cum sa foloseasca OS-ul 3.5GB.
Din cate am inteles din sursele online, 4,5 GB RAM este valoarea minimum garantata pentru devs, iar OS'ul va "administra" restul memoriei "flexibile" (~ 1GB) insa tot ca resursa pentru joc.
Reiese ca OS'ul va folosi 2,5GB pentru sine, ceea ce mi se pare rezonabil daca ne gandim la cate se promit a rula in background - de la downloads, recording, cross game chat etc. + un pool de memorie libera disponibila ca sa nu se ajunga la sacadari in operarea interfetei.
Daca Uncharted, Killlzone, Last of US, Heavy Rain etc. s-au descurcat cu ~450 RAM DDR3 nu cred ca e cazul sa ne plangem ca PS4 ca fi "limitat" la capitolul asta- 5,5 GB RAM DDR5 e mai mult decat OK!
So people, relax.